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WB: What makes a good greeting card?RD: A card that someone picks up and says "God, they were thinking exactly of me when they wrote this." The beauty of that circumstance is that we were thinking of you and that it works for you, but it works for about 100,000 other people too. It's just the whole science of emotions. We're all a lot more alike than we know we are. People also appreciate honesty in greeting cards. If something sounds like it's really sincere and there's an important message behind it — it's not just something strung together — that makes all the difference in the world. WB: Would that assessment apply to humorous cards as well?RD: Yes, because sometimes when you're trying to be funny, it sounds like you're trying to be funny. A lot of times the criticism for humour cards is "It looks like you're trying too hard. You're concentrating too hard on the joke rather than on the message." A piece of writing may be a beautiful piece of writing, but if it doesn't communicate, it's not effective. JH: It has to have a combination of truth that seems undeniable. In funny cards or serious cards, or in something that's kind of both is where you try to create something that seems light or whimsical — where you have an opportunity for a kind of poignancy, and yet there's a sense that there's humour behind it. The main thing in any of those kinds of cards is that it seems to be expressing something true about being human. And it expresses it in the kind of way that makes you want to share it with someone else. It may be expressing a truth about the relationship. It may be something that's so true that the person who sees it wants to share it just because it seems like a really great thing for someone to have said. SE: Mainly that it is a good integrated package — a good match between the artwork and the copy. Of course it has to have a strong idea. When we've done focus groups or consumer feedback, one thing that consumers repeatedly say is that it's the message of the card that sells it to them. But by the same token, it's the look of the card that's going to make them pick it up in the first place. So, if you have a card with an appealing design, and one that works well with the copy, that's really the chief thing. In [the humour] department, the humour really ranges from very funny to just kind of soft, cute. There's a big market for that kind of verse, just light, kind of pleasant verse that's not knee-slapping funny. WB: Can you give me an example?SE: WB: What makes a good greeting card writer? JH: The best writers here tend to be people who are well read, and who have a lot of different frames of reference. The other thing that really supports greeting card writing is having a life of your own. I think it's sort of the negative capability that Keats talks about when he wrote about Shakespeare being able to step into somebody else's mind. And in a way it's like an actor's skill, because you have to be able to project yourself into somebody else's situation or make a connection between your own and theirs. I've always assumed that I'm not so different from everybody else. RD: A good greeting card writer has to be able to open her heart for other people to see and not be embarrassed about being called foolish or too personal or too sentimental. The difference between a greeting card writer and other types of writers is that we're all about emotion. Hallmark is often held up as a common object of ridicule. People will say "that sounds like a schmaltzy Hallmark card" but not all our cards are that way. You always run the risk when you're writing from the heart for somebody to say "that's a little bit more than I wanted to know." SE: Anyone who can think of fresh, funny, or clever ideas, and who can have a good sense of what is likely to sell. That and a willingness to sit and work on it for a long time. It's a business where you can't afford to claim writer's block because you've got to keep producing. The biggest challenge is that your subject matter is so limited. You're dealing with the same topics again and again. You're always going to have another requisition for birthday and for Christmas and Valentine's Day. That, especially, is one of our challenges in traditional humour. In alternative humour, I think they can range a little bit more and have looser tie-ins between the occasion and whatever joke they're making. We are generally expected to provide a pretty direct message about the occasion. What do you say for the hundredth time you've been working on birthdays? What could possibly be new? WB: Do most people think they can write greeting cards?JH: Yes. Most people think they can do it better than you do. We had a writer come out here from the New York Times a few years ago. We had her come in here and do some of our opening line brainstorms. One of the things that came out in her article was that everybody thinks they can do it. It always seems easy when you look at a joke on a funny card. It seems funny, but it doesn't seem funnier than anything you could come up with. The real trick of course is doing it day in and day out, and being able to come up with a new idea. WB: Writing greeting cards is not like writing a book; you're name isn't on it. Do you feel that you lack recognition?RD: Some of the cards that we write have our names on them. There's a line of cards called Between You and Me. Several of us have gotten letters or phone calls about cards that we've written that have touched people personally to the point that they wanted to correspond with us. Sometimes when a writer has a quote that is particularly worthy, his or her name will appear. When I get a card for a personal occasion that I've written that doesn't have my name on it, but that the person just liked enough to give to me, it's a huge thing. WB: Do people still give you cards?RD: It's really funny. I still get them. Everybody in my family and everyone I know that's close to me knows pretty much that I'll turn it over and look at the back and make sure it's one of ours. WB: They say there's a card for every occasion. What is the strangest occasion you've ever written for?RD: This was a very odd occurrence. We had a new receptionist in the building and she called me and said there was a woman here to see me. When I got to the desk she said "I am so sorry Renée, I didn't realize I'm not supposed to do this. This woman is on vacation and she says she wanted to meet you because she sends a lot of your cards to her boyfriend." When I talked to the woman, she looked a little dismayed. She said "I had a fight with my boyfriend before I left for my vacation. Could you write something for him?" So I asked, "Right now?" She said it would mean a lot, and I said "You know, this takes me a really long time, I can't just sit and do this in five minutes." She said "Anything, even if it just says that I came and I met you and I asked you to write this card to tell him I'm sorry." So that was probably the oddest. I hope people don't think they can walk in the lobby and get us to write for them. WB: How far can you go in writing humorous cards?SE: There are funny things that go on in the company that are either bizarre or ridiculous. One of the things that we're always dealing with in humour is the corporate taste policy. Generally, if it's going to pack a lot of humorous punch, it will have some kind of a risqué quality to it. The Hallmark taste policy is pretty conservative so periodically they'll have meetings to determine what the new taste policy is going to be. The great thing about that is they have to get into words like "boob." If we say the word "boob" what kind of circumstances can we say it in? One thing that happens again and again is that we'll do something that goes over the taste policy line and it will perform very well in retail, and then someone will say "Oh, but we can't do that" and it will get pulled. WB: Do people burn out doing what you do?JH: Yes, some people do. We do have good longevity in terms of people staying. For the most part, the people who stay are the people who can reinvent it and figure out a new way to do it. The creative jobs here are really good. You get a lot of support, so people don't tend to quit very often. WB: What do people say when you tell them what you do for a living?JH: Most people are really interested. Some of my friends in academia look down their nose at it because greeting cards are a kind of pedestrian literary form. In fact, they are not even literary. If you hang out with poets and fiction writers and fine artists, typically they're doing something that they think is of a higher order culturally, and maybe it is in a way. But the thing I always come back to is that I'm published all over the world. My stuff gets bought by people who find it intensely meaningful to them and want to give it to somebody else because it means something between the two of them. To me that is just the greatest privilege as a writer. The key to success is doing something that is meaningful and that touches people. RD: I travel a little bit for business and a lot for my personal life and when you tell people what you do for a living, they say "Oh really, I've thought about doing that," and you think "Oh my gosh, here it comes." They'll say "I used to write in school," and you think "please don't ask me to critique your work right here on the plane." I think the reason that people think they can be card writers is because most people have probably written some form of correspondence in their life and because words are everybody's commodity. People don't realize that there's a big difference between verbal communication and written communication. It can be so off and so wrong without you even realizing it. When you're looking at anybody who performs and they're really good, be it a dancer or a figure skater, it looks really easy. It speaks to the way that we try to hone everything and get it so that it sounds right so they don't have to stop and think about it. If people had any idea how many steps we go through from concept to finished product, they would be amazed. Everybody and their brother has an opinion about what it should look like and what it should sound like so our work is almost passed under a microscope before it hits the marketplace. SE: Usually they'll say "Say something funny." In general, I, and most of my colleagues, are more quiet, sit-down, work-something-out, mull-it-over, and perfect-it types. Most people think it's very intriguing because it's an oddball sort of thing. Nobody when they're a kid says "I want to grow up and write greeting cards." It's just a quirky thing that people fall into from one direction or another. WB: What is the antithesis of writing greeting cards?JH: Probably writing the instruction manual for the Tomahawk missile. Technical writing for something that is intended to destroy human beings rather than to enhance their existence. RD: My initial response is to say writing in a journal. You're only talking to yourself. You don't have to worry about who's gonna see it. You can be as honest and ugly as you want. SE: Deep-sea diving. Writing greeting cards is a pretty sedentary thing; you sit and you write a lot. A lot of it is just cogitation. So I
was just thinking anything that is very physical.
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